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Fo the Communist
12:51 Sun Apr 22
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Penners
They don't admit there's anything wrong with the ground but they must see it. Even GSB can't be so bloody ignorant.
The other thing an apparently sensible proposal from Khan would do would re-invigorate the protest movement.
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penners28
11:43 Sun Apr 22
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Of course it would make them more money when/if they sell the club if they owned the ground, but I just cant see it happening.
Like I said, they see nothing wrong with the ground and rather worryingly some fans also see no issues with it, which to me is absolutely baffling.
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On The Ball
11:21 Sun Apr 22
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penners - no way would they. But it would surely make it a more attractive proposition to buy, wouldn't it?
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Lily Hammer
10:11 Sun Apr 22
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Penners
That’s where we come in.
The fans need to unite in saying that “not so bad” is not good enough. When fans say the stadium isn’t so bad, it implies that it IS bad, just not as bad as some say.
We didn’t agree to leave Upton Park for “not so bad.”
I will keep banging on about this until I’ve brainwashed and reprogrammed every cunt in there to sing from the same hymn sheet.
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penners28
9:45 Sun Apr 22
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If our lot ended up owning the ground they wouldnt develop anything. Why? As they see nothing wrong with it.
Thats the sad truth here
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Gavros
3:38 Sun Apr 22
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Birmingham have to offer to subsidise athletics first. That hasn't happened yet. There may be a way if the GLA/ West Ham offer something to them
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sanfrancis-co-uk
3:32 Sun Apr 22
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Fo the Communist 6:36 Sat Apr 21
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Politically it is a plague on all houses but what Khan has is the opportunity to provide a solution.
He needs to offer West Ham and the tax payer a way out.
He needs to transfer the athletic stadium to Birmingham thus giving the stadium/West Ham a free hand in redeveloping.
He then needs to invite West Ham to come up with a credible plan to buy and convert the stadium to primarily football use. To do this, he must insist the deal safeguards the future of West Ham and can be shown, scientifically, to be supported by the fans.
The purchase price would reflect the necessary investment. West Ham would be obliged to share profits from other sporting and entertainment events with 'the taxpayer' to an agreed repayment figure was reached
He would sell this to Londoners on the basis that it would save them ongoing revenue costs and - over time - recoup investment on what would otherwise be a white elephant.
It would throw the ball firmly into Sullivan's court. If Sullivan fucks around he would lose any remaining sympathy with West Ham fans and the general public.
Who knows whether any of that is feasible but in an age of gesture politics is would give Khan the whip hand and West Ham fans like me hope.
This.
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J.Riddle
11:57 Sat Apr 21
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If the athletics go to Birmingham in 2022, which looks the only outcome, then even if a deal is in place rebuilding the LS couldn't start until then, probably move to Wembley, so it could take a few years for planning/ rebuild, so probably would be looking at around 2025/26, say 8 years from now.
Sullivan has said that he will give it at least another approx 6 years, the 10 year LLDC sell on clause conveniently expires around then just before he sells for a massive profit.
Some older folk will have bought the farm by then I dare say.
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overbyyer
6:48 Sat Apr 21
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Fo the Communist wrote...
Politically it is a plague on all houses but what Khan has is the opportunity to provide a solution.
He needs to offer West Ham and the tax payer a way out.
He needs to transfer the athletic stadium to Birmingham thus giving the stadium/West Ham a free hand in redeveloping.
That makes sense, the Perry Bar stadium is being updated to 40,000 as part of Birmingham's Commonwealth games in 2022, then reverting to a 25,000 stadium with the intention to be the permanent home to UK athletics - leaves the door wide open to complete a permanent deal for the LS, but it will take a huge change of layout for me to ever step foot in there again.
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Fo the Communist
6:36 Sat Apr 21
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Politically it is a plague on all houses but what Khan has is the opportunity to provide a solution.
He needs to offer West Ham and the tax payer a way out.
He needs to transfer the athletic stadium to Birmingham thus giving the stadium/West Ham a free hand in redeveloping.
He then needs to invite West Ham to come up with a credible plan to buy and convert the stadium to primarily football use. To do this, he must insist the deal safeguards the future of West Ham and can be shown, scientifically, to be supported by the fans.
The purchase price would reflect the necessary investment. West Ham would be obliged to share profits from other sporting and entertainment events with 'the taxpayer' to an agreed repayment figure was reached
He would sell this to Londoners on the basis that it would save them ongoing revenue costs and - over time - recoup investment on what would otherwise be a white elephant.
It would throw the ball firmly into Sullivan's court. If Sullivan fucks around he would lose any remaining sympathy with West Ham fans and the general public.
Who knows whether any of that is feasible but in an age of gesture politics is would give Khan the whip hand and West Ham fans like me hope.
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Lily Hammer
5:51 Sat Apr 21
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Fo
I make you right. I would encourage Khan to work on blaming his political adversaries for selling us the stadium for cheap, which he probably is already doing, if he has any functioning brain cells.
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Fo the Communist
5:35 Sat Apr 21
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Crassus.
We may hold the aces in terms of negotiating position. The problem is the kitty is a big pile of shit.
The only way I can see any way out of this is fundamental change to the current situation - both in terms of stadium redesign and contract renegotiation. And the only way that will come to pass is through dealing with Khan. If WHUISA has a connection to the mayor's office then we should be milking it for all it's worth. It his Khan's position rather than his politics - or indeed suitability for office - that is the issue here, a point sorely missed by the RWHF group.
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Gavros
2:50 Sat Apr 21
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yes, identical. there's no difference in look or position, just in terms of the money it costs to do (which the club dont care about because its not their money). in fact, "squaring" the sides is easier now than would be the case under a fully bespoke retractable seating system.
What the club would care about is loss of revenue from fewer 66 and lower tier seats, but there are loads of ways you can offset that if you get the landlords onside rather than trying to sqeeze every penny out of them.
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flyingV
2:04 Sat Apr 21
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Gavros 1:21 Sat Apr 21
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I get you, but in terms of the original plans (inclusive of the retractable seating) the lower tier position was almost identical to where it is now, right?
I accept that a new solution could bring the seats closer to the pitch at the cost of even bigger gaps between the tiers. For me that doesn't solve much.
Digging down or rebuilding for me. One far more likely than the other, granted.
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Gavros
1:25 Sat Apr 21
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By the way i totally agree about the penny pinching litigious prats poisoning their relationship with governmental bodies. There are things that can be improved at the place and we need the LLDC/ GLA onside. These pricks though decide to sue them at every opportunity.
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Gavros
1:21 Sat Apr 21
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Not quite V. It's all to do with where you accept the gap - at mid tier level or at playing surface level. You could, if you took out some of those 1966 seats, square off the West and East stands to a certain degree, just like the end lower tiers are squarer than the uppers. Not perfect I know but would at least close some of that gaping distance at the half way line.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:21 Sat Apr 21
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Could probably get a white elephant for what the current set-up is costing the taxpayer...
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flyingV
12:18 Sat Apr 21
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w4hammer, even with the retractable seating the front row would have been in the exact same position as now.
The only benefit would have been to the LLDC as they might have had a chance of running at a profit.
As it happens, I reckon that fuck up might eventually work in our favour since it's losing them so much money that the chances of us buying out the contract at a huge discount are far greater.
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w4hammer
12:04 Sat Apr 21
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The art of successful negotiation, especially with parties that are going to be in a long term relationship is that both parties are satisfied..
That didn't happen. Brady screwed them stadium owners as we were the only viable game in town.
Unfortunately that has resulted in bad feeling and no goodwill. We have ended up with third rate service because we signed away all responsibility and now at the beck and call of an organisation where relations are so bad that most contact is through lawyers.
How can that be a good deal. It is the epitome of knowing the cost of everything and value of nothing.
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very well put. I still think the major fuck up is around the retractable seating- with it, theLDCC or whoever wouldnt be skint and wasting weeks on changing it around. With it , alot of the anger fans have towarsd the move and the board would have been assuaged.
Now if only there had been proper due diligence on the buyers side to ensure the proposed system would work, I mean- maybe the CEO of the buying company might feel that this would be central to whether the stadium was handed over, dont you think...
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ChesterRd
3:22 Sat Apr 21
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Another cost of everything value of nothing merchant.
No wonder the board treat us like mugs.
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Lily Hammer
2:51 Sat Apr 21
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We have the aces and the trumps as far as negotiating goes. Khan has agreed publicly that the deal is air tight and he would never have signed off on it.
I’ll give Brady her dues, she negotiated the fuck out of the powers that be. It’s a shame she is the shysters’ hound dog and not the fans’ hound dog.
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